speaker 1: Americans eat a lot of eggs, and that includes our colleague Patrick Thomas, who likes them scrambled. speaker 2: go to on the weekend, you know, bagel and scrambled eggs. speaker 1: right? Patrick covers agriculture. speaker 2: People eat about an egg a day roughly. And a hen produces roughly an egg a day. So the easiest math to think of the egg industry is that everyone has their own hen personal chicken. Everyone's got a personal chicken. speaker 1: But over the past few years, a lot of those chickens have died, more than 150 million of them, as waves of bird flu have swept the country. That's helped catapult egg prices to historic eyes, angering consumers. And some are pointing the finger at more than just bird flu. They're blaming a company called cow Mae. speaker 3: Comaine foods, the biggest egg producer in America. speaker 4: posted a massive profit. speaker 5: $509 million. That is three times their quarterly profit for the same quarter last year. speaker 3: Here they are at the end of the year recording record profit. So they raised all the prices for no reason at all. speaker 1: Calmaine is the largest egg producer in the country. It supplies one out of every five eggs that Americans eat. Despite that, it's not well known, partly because calmae's name isn't on the egg carton. It's egg sellinder local brand names. But it's also because the compis pretty secretive. It doesn't do investor calls and rarely gives media interviews. Lately, though, it's been attracting attention because of those massive profits. So Patrick set out to learn what he could about this little known company at the center of America's egg crisis. speaker 2: I wanted to set out to just understand them and get to the root of, you know, what they make of this criticism levied against them, what is kind of their side of the story, and understanding them a bit to see if there is anything to the accusations or not. speaker 1: Welcome to the Journal, our show about money, business and power. I'm Annie Minoff. It's Thursday, may 20s. Coming up on the show, eggs are expensive. Is calmato blame? speaker 6: Achieving real results for your organization starts with talking to the right people. With surbeymonkey, you can target the exact audience you need to understand better, whether it's customers, employees or your target market survey. Ymonkey has powerful AI capabilities that help you build the perfect survey and analyze the data so you don't have to. It's like having a survey scientist and a data analyst on call 20 47. With Survey Monkey, you get what you need to uncover insights that can change everything. Get started today at SurveyMonkey. Com slash results. speaker 7: Calmain is headquartered . speaker 1: in rural Mississippi. Patrick went out there and he got a tour of one of the company's egg producing facilities. speaker 2: You're pulling up and there's some cattle or in the pasture nearby, and you can see there's a line of these big metal barns or chicken houses, as they're called, and you know, got kind of these big fans on the side and there's 14 of them in a row. They hold about 750, zero hens. Whoa. speaker 8: Yes. So can you hear them? You cannot. I'm just imagining buck. speaker 2: buck bubuck. You cannot. Like these are metal barns that are like enclosed to keep everything out. You know you want to make sure there's no vermin or anything that's going to be able to get in. So so you don't hear anything coming out of them. They're pretty secure. speaker 1: Tens of thousands of eggs from those 14 barns are funneled into a processing facility . speaker 2: on a conveyor belt. They come out and they're, you know, they be like dirty or something or have like a feather on them or something like that. So they come through and then they go through basically a wash. So they get bathed and come out clean and sparkly White on the other side. They get sorted and plopped it six at a time into these cartons. speaker 1: Cal Maine has dozens of facilities like this one across the country. At one point they stretched from California to Maine, thus the name. Those facilities produce about a billion . speaker 2: dozen eggs a year. So that would be 12 billion eggs. So we're talking that's 12 billion is a lot. speaker 8: A little boggles. speaker 2: The mine that scale 12 billion. speaker 1: a lot of eggs. The person overseeing this giant operation is calmain CEO, Sherman Miller. Introduce us to Sherman Miller. speaker 2: So Sherman Miller is a calmaine lifer. This man, he jokes that his wife said he married calmain ine before he married her. He started as an intern at calmaine. He was one of two interns, you know. And he says, good thing the other guy didn't make it. He's always been at calmaine and lives and breathes this company. speaker 1: Patrick got a rare interview with Miller at the company's main office. His desk there is dotted with egg statues, and an American flag hangs above his computer. Patrick says that Miller seemed eager to explain . speaker 9: why Cal Maine wasn't the villain in this saga. In out villain is a very nasty high path aan influenza virus. It was at the beginning of . speaker 1: the most recent bird flu outbreak in 2022 that Miller became CEO. So the company at the time. speaker 2: they had seen that bird flu was going to happen. They had been planning for it since August, around August of 2021, is what they said. And the reasoning is because it was spreading in Europe. And so they were expecting . speaker 8: only a matter of time. speaker 2: It's only a matter of time before this comes in into the us again. They spent about $70 million on various biosecurity measures. speaker 1: Patrick saw some of those biosecurity measures firsthand when he was touring calalmin's egg facility. Vehicles were sprayed down with disinfectant before they drove in. And those fully enclosed barns keep pens away from the wild birds that Carry bird flu. Measures like this seem to work. speaker 2: Some of their competitors had more cases or lost more facilities. Cohasn't had the same level of damage. And what that's meant for them is they've been able to really reap the benefits of the high egg prices. speaker 1: Comaine didn't lose as many chickens and eggs as its competitors, and that put them in an enviable position because of the low egg supply, prices were soaring. And unlike some of the competition, calmaine still had plenty of eggs to sell. The result was a windfall for the company. speaker 10: What came first? The chicken of the egg. Well, the egg came first in this story. Comain foods, the egg company shares are soaring this year, up 64%. speaker 2: So they made a lot of money in are on track to make about a billion dollars in their fiscal year in profit. In their latest quarter, they had a profit of more than $500 million, which is their biggest ever. And their stock has been one of the best performers on Wall Street. It's know their market values doubled in two years. speaker 1: High prices haven't just benefited calmaine. It's benefited the family who originally founded the company and still hold a lot of its stock. speaker 2: Basically, family members are cashing out their shares for at least $100 million per member, which tallies up to about $500 million. So they're cashing out . speaker 1: at a pretty good time. Family members declined to comment. speaker 8: It's pretty paradoxical here. They are like at the center of a crisis for their industry, and it's a bonanza. speaker 2: Yeah and that's where the critics come in. That's why you have some groups scratching their head, ds saying, how is that possible? speaker 1: The critics who say that comaine is a bad egg, they're next. speaker 11: This episode is brought to you by indeed, when your fridge stops working, you don't sit around waiting for all your food to spoil. You find a solution. So why wait to hire the people your company desperately needs? Use indeed sponsor jobs to find great talent fast. It moves your job posts to the top of the page, so it's the first thing relevant candidates see when they start searching. And it truly does make a difference. Sponsred jobs receive 45% more applications than non sponsored jobs, according to indidata. Plus, with sponsred jobs, there are no monthly subscriptions or long term contracts. 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And politicians have also been critical. speaker 7: Like congressman Rokana Cal Maine hit over $350 million that they made just last quarter. Let's hold the big producers accountable so that we can lower egg prices for Americans. speaker 1: Consumer advocacy groups have also accused calmine of making a bad situation worse. speaker 2: There's this group called farm action, which has been pretty critical of large agriculture companies in the past. speaker 12: We know that the farmers at the bottom of that chain, they're on the front lines of the avian flute. Meanwhile, these large companies like calmaine that are controlling the egg industry, they're raking in just unbelievable record breaking profits. speaker 1: So those are the critics. What do they accuse calmein of doing? speaker 2: They say that this company has used its scale to influence the price of eggs or production, or they're not doing enough to put more hens in production and alleviate the national egg crisis, or that they could be producing more eggs to help. speaker 8: And they're not doing it. They're saying you could produce more eggs, you could you know produce more egg laying hens, but you're not or not as many as we would like. speaker 2: Correct? So that's their criticism. And it's a criticism against basically a large company saying has too much power to influence supply and demand of the egg market. It's their central criticism, and they've called for investigations. speaker 1: In March, the department of justice opened an investigation into calmain and other egg producers, asking those companies to preserve documents about . speaker 10: their pricing conversations. speaker 1: Calmain ine says it's cooperating with the doj. speaker 8: So some of calmae's critics are saying, Hey, you should be using your size to produce more eggs. You could kind of help our pricing situation here. What is Miller's response and what is calwmae's response to the criticism? speaker 2: So the company's response is really that people do not understand commodities and that this is simple supply and demand economics 101, if you will. speaker 1: Here' S Miller again. speaker 9: that eggs are commodthey're, not widgets, that we can just go out there and turn up the machine or run an extra shift and produce more. It's a long planning process for we're planning our business to meet our customer needs. speaker 1: Calmain says that adding hens takes time. It's about six months before a chick is mature enough to lay eggs. speaker 2: Hens aren't just a sink that you can turn on and off. Basically, you can't just call them up off a bench and put a Jersey on them and put them into the game. You can't quite do that. Once you get them on board and in production, you can't turn them off. They're laying eggs. So we might have a shortage in a high demand period during a holiday stretch, for example. Okay. But what about right now, like here in may, there's a bit of a lull in egg demand. We would have an oversupply because we just built so many egg production. We brought in more at hens online. You would be producing more eggs than Americans could actually consume. And so their point is you would have eggs going into landfills. It's interesting. I hadn't thought . speaker 8: about how you know, I think I understand that it's hard to ramp up production of eggs. You need hens, but you also can't turn them off when you want to. That's right. speaker 1: Calmain has increased egg production somewhat in the past year. It' S Added 14% more hens and up to the number of chicks that can hatch by 24%. But if calmain increases production too much, it could find itself in a tough spot. If demand eventually falls, the company could find itself sitting . speaker 2: on too many eggs. Analysts say that that would tank the price of eggs. So you would be going below the cost of production and they would be losing a ton of money. So it's a careful balance, is what they're . speaker 1: trying to say. Miller says that calmaine has done everything it could to supply eggs under circumstances that it can't control. Another criticism levied against calwmain is that the company is price gouging. But Miller says calwmain doesn't set the price of eggs when it negotiates with a grocer, say, Kroger. It does that based on something called the benchmark price for eggs. The benchmark price is kind of like a market price. A research firm sets the benchmark based on supply and demand for eggs across the country. Calmaine uses that price to determine what itcharge for its eggs. As Miller . speaker 9: told Patrick, and we are pritakers, not price makers. speaker 2: So they say when it goes way up, it goes way up, so be it. When it goes way down, it goes down, so be it. So that's kind of why they deal with the price of eggs. That kind of follows the twists and turns of the egg market, if you will. speaker 8: So Calman is kind of saying, look, we don't unilaterally determine the price of eggs. speaker 1: but on a very literal level. speaker 8: don't they? Couldn't they decide, you know what, eggs are really expensive. It's really hurting people right now. Let's let's lower the price of a carton by a buck. Could they do that? Well, it's a good question. speaker 2: I mean, so you're right in the sense that they would say that they don't control the price of eggs because they don't price it at retail consumers. You know, ultimately, it's up to the grocery store to determine what consumers will see. So in theory, they could decide, Hey, I'm going to give a massive price break to Kroger. But that doesn't mean Kroger, for example, hypothetically speaking, has to do that. They're still the ultimate arbiter of how much the consumer will pay for it, right? So couldn't they lower the price? They could. But what they would say too is they don't want to set that precedent because, as I mentioned earlier, the egg market is a very volatile place and they could easily tank and lose money. So as they would say, it's important to reap the rewards when prices are high and keep that money in case egg market tanks and they can use it again. So they want to take the benefits of when things are good to survive when things are bad. As Miller . speaker 1: put it to Patrick. speaker 9: at the end of the day, we have been as good as stewards as we possibly could with everything interested. Does we know that to be the case? speaker 1: Calmain argues it's just taking prudent steps to protect its business, but it has found itself in legal hot water in the past. In 2023, a federal jury decided that calmain and other big egg producers had restricted supply in the early two thouss to raise prices. The egg companies denied wrongdoing. And in 2:20, the Texas attorney general sued calmanine for price gouging during the Covid -19 pandemic. Calmain says that panic buying drove up prices. That case is ongoing. speaker 8: Having dug into this now, what would you tell someone who is steamed about high egg prices and wondering, who do I blame? speaker 2: I don't know if I'd tell them who to blame, but I would say, I mean, look, at the end of the day, the bird flu is the culprit of all of this. I also think it's important to keep in mind that egg prices are on their way down and will probably come down, but they might Spike back up again. The virus is still happening. So we're seeing seasonal swings basically every year in and year out now, and I think we're gonna to see that for the foreseeable future. speaker 8: So it sounds like this might be our new normal for a little while. speaker 2: It could be our new normal. And I think people will probably have to understand that it is normal for at least the time being. speaker 1: That's all for today, Thursday, may 20s. The Journal is a co production of Spotify and the wall Street Journal. 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